Does A Lower Have To Say Pistol On Lower Receiver In Order To Be Registered As A Pistol

74sporty

I was just wondering well-nigh the laws regarding building and owning an ar pistol. I want to know if i buy a lower from a private citizen, can i put a pistol upper on it and be kosher? legally kosher? What if i bought a lower from a gun store? I know you take to take off the stock on a pistol to be legal, but is this something that needs to be registered? What do i have to do or proceed in listen to comply with oregon laws?

Any help would be much appreciated

SVT-ROY

I was inquiring about the same thing, you should guild one new and have it registered as a pistol. I was going to do that but got an RRA "pistol just" lower with pistol buffer tube, just to exist extra prophylactic. GL on your build, at that place so dam fun yous volition love it. I built a 7 " 9mm AR pistol and its 99% done. Just waiting on xtm rails and houge overmold grip. A buddy idea information technology was an MP5 ahaha lololol

cyclesarge

If you "take off the stock" it is however a "rifle", once a rifle always a burglarize. A striped lower as sold from a dealer SHOULD be logged in as an "other" on the 4473, meaning neither a long gun nor a handgun. Which would make it kosher to build into either. To be safe on my AR pistol I bought a lower marked "PISTOL" because I got some "eyeballs" at my range shooting my previous AR pistol (not marked "PISTOL") so if anyone questioned it, I'd exist able to point to the lower and say "Run into, it says "pistol" right at that place".

74sporty

If you "have off the stock" information technology is yet a "rifle", one time a rifle always a burglarize. A striped lower equally sold from a dealer SHOULD be logged in as an "other" on the 4473, significant neither a long gun nor a handgun. Which would make information technology kosher to build into either. To exist prophylactic on my AR pistol I bought a lower marked "PISTOL" because I got some "eyeballs" at my range shooting my previous AR pistol (not marked "PISTOL") so if anyone questioned it, I'd be able to betoken to the lower and say "Run into, it says "pistol" correct in that location".

The data i gathered was right about in that location too. Other states really need that "pistol only" labeled lower, but from what i've been told (past a few people) is that the states oregonians dont need it when buying from an FFL. Merely another detail is, what if the lower isn't strip'd just has a stock and trigger group? Is it still considered "other?"

cyclesarge

Interesting. If the lower has a stock on it it IS a rifle lower, I may be wrong though since information technology'due south non a Consummate rifle yet, assuming you are ownership a NEW lower. Land to state doesn't affair. BTW, my "pistol" marked lower was transfered as an "other".

Nwcid

.....I'd be able to point to the lower and say "Come across, it says "pistol" right there".

I agree with most of what yous say, just not this. I could take whatever gun and mark it "Pistol" but that marking has NO legal bering on it status........... IF I took a pistol marked lower and put a stock and a sixteen"+ barrel it would legally exist a rifle not a pistol notwithstanding marked.

el gringo loco

I would not purchase a lower from a private political party to build a pistol. You dont know the history of the lower. If the lower has ever been transferred as a rifle before you purchase it, information technology is yet a rifle. My understanding is that if information technology has ever had a stock on information technology, it is a rifle forever. If I was going to brand a pistol (and I don't really recollect I ever would) I would get a pistol marked lower, or buy a new stripped lower and brand sure information technology was transferred as a pistol.

Nwcid

or purchase a new stripped lower and make sure it was transferred as a pistol.

How do you do that legally since information technology is NOT a pistol and cant be transferred as 1?

Correct from the current 4473, <broken link removed>

Question 18. Type of Firearm(s): Check all boxes that apply. "Other" refers to frames, receivers and other firearms that are not either handguns or long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell, or National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms.

If a frame or receiver tin merely exist fabricated into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver non a handgun or long gun. However, they still are "firearms" by definition, and subject to the same GCA limitations as whatsoever other firearms. See Section 921(a)(3)(b). 18 U.S.C. Department 922(b)(1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun or burglarize to any person under the age of 21. Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include ane that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle," information technology cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21. Also, note that multiple sales forms are not required for frames or receivers of any firearms, or pistol grip shotguns, since they are non "pistols or revolvers" nether Section 923(g)(3)(a).

SVT-ROY

Buy a pistol only lower if your worried about it Like I did.

This is my "pistol", thats what ATF calls information technology and who am i to argue lol
I built over half dozen months then information technology wouldn't take a bite out of my budget. I never idea I would desire or build ane only its grown on me so much my M4gery is jelous.

74sporty

thanks everyone for the input. what nwcid wrote made sense and if i read right, i am proficient to buy a lower thats not transfered equally "rifle" or "pistol," but as other. this is what i was told by an ffl. i dont really get the point of the complicated law anyway. i know we are allowed to own pistol ar'south so why would they not want u.s. to swap pistol to rifle barrels or visa versa? people change rifle barrels all the time. forgive me if i sound ignorant, only its just not obvious to me. i could kinda come across how they can worry about pistol barrels existence more concealable and would be used in crime or something, but the truth is that we live in a state where the ar pistol is leagal. they're here already. if someone wants to commit offense with ane they will, with or without that pointless regulation. and regulations like this mostly effects the lawful gun owners. criminals dont ain guns legally. this nit picky law about the "no stock" thing is silly. i doubt information technology has done anything to prevent tearing offense. why would criminals even know this law. i didn't and im a lawful gun owner. why would they? i merely dont like a bunch a stuuupid regulations on the things i own. like my cycle or my automobile. if i wanna make it fast, im gonna make it fast. im lamentable its loud, thats just what happens. its a byproduct. its a byproduct from the extra huevos. how the **** do they justify telling me what i can and cannot do with my things? stock goes on the pistol... im breaking the constabulary. stock slides off in ii seconds, im legal again. what if i had an ar pistol already, merely wanted to see how the brusque barrel fired in my other ar's reciever? bandy em out at the range for some exam shootin? how do i not i have that freedom to do that if they are MY things? what were they trying to do when they came upward with these regulations? its pointless...

Nwcid

Because at a Federal level at that place are definitions and rules. While I don't like information technology anymore then anyone else they are the laws. Breaking these laws have very stiff penalties. The only legal affair that can be washed is to try and change those rules if y'all don't like them.

It is very comparable to your car or cycle, there are plenty of rules. You can make it become as fast as you desire, merely if you exceed the speed limit and get caught........ If you make it besides loud at that place are rules confronting that besides....... How about something as simple as tinting your windows, well there are laws on that besides............

Dieselfuel12v

Slight crash-land. I bought a new stripped arms and ammo lower, pretty certain my FFL transferred it as a burglarize (i'd accept to call), it would be illegal to go a pistol upper and pistol buffer tube westward/foam?

Nwcid

Slight crash-land. I bought a new stripped arms and ammo lower, pretty certain my FFL transferred information technology as a rifle (i'd take to call), information technology would be illegal to get a pistol upper and pistol buffer tube w/cream?

Well if he did transfer it equally a "rifle" he did wrong. Information technology is Not a rifle or a pistol, it IS a receiver and there is a spot right for that on the 4473 you filled out, <broken link removed> read question xviii and the answer department on page five. That is correct from the ATF.

Fifty-fifty if it was listed as a burglarize and yous could prove (burden of proof is on you this time. Say the sales receipt saying receiver only) it was a virgin receiver at the bespeak of sale and so you could still legally build information technology into a pistol every bit it has never been a burglarize by the ATF's definition.

Dieselfuel12v

That'due south why I love this site, y'all guys are a helpful group. It was definitely my bad for not looking over what he had checked at that place before signing. I have it I should buy another receiver anyway, since information technology would be illegal to swap a 16" upper and stock onto this once I have put a pistol upper on it (if I wanted to swap back and forth). These laws makes absolutely zero sense, we tin accept a ar pistol, only no Sbr, simply strange really.

mjbskwim

OK and then what is the LONGEST the barrel tin be and nonetheless be classified as a pistol?

And I accept found some "pistol" lowers about the same price as all the others.So if it worries yous,they aren't much different in price.

Nwcid

OK so what is the LONGEST the butt tin can be and nevertheless be classified as a pistol?
And I have found some "pistol" lowers most the same toll as all the others.So if it worries you,they aren't much different in price.

I take never seen a legal definition of a pistol with a maximum OAL or barrel length. So if information technology does not accept a stock, then the barrel can exist as long equally you similar.

Dieselfuel12v

That's what my FFL said as well ^.

mjbskwim

So if you lot wanted to acquit in the car and and so shoot some PDs while out,you lot could have a 20" upper/butt on your pistol lower.Or only conduct the spare with you lot.
And not have a butt stock in the vehicle.(?)

Just if yous DID practice such a thing,it would be wise to have the lower marked "pistol" to show the LEO it was in fact a pistol
And not have a barrel stock in the vehicle.(?)

Homo a guy should accept a folder in his motorcar with the laws to testify the LEO if you're gunna bear a AR pistol effectually

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